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Присоединяюсь и приглашаю принять участие всех жителей Воркуты!
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Иван
09.04.2013 19:40
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Реальное дело ЕР
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Хорс
09.04.2013 22:36
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Реальное дело ЕР – принять закон по ОДН. Кто, скажите мне принял этот анинародный закон? Либералы? Комунисты или единороссы????? Верно, Иван, единороссы. Вот это и есть их реальное дело!
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Знахарь
09.04.2013 19:51
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АУ! Воркутяне!!! Неужели так мало людей желают хоть что то сделать ради общего и своего блага??? Или только сидя за компьютером можно возмущаться??? Где ваша поддержка??? Не будьте инертными или Вас затопчут в навозе……………………………
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Ага тронуло
09.04.2013 21:26
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Воркутянен я Воркутинец!
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история
09.04.2013 23:11
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Люди,которые жили в Воркуте с начала ее основания, считали себя воркутянами. Не воркутинцами.
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Николай
10.04.2013 20:25
Воркутинцы
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Я в Воркуте с 1960 года . Мы всегда были Воркутинцы! " Воркутяне", как прикол, появились во времена Горбачевской перестройки. Так что – не надо "ля-ля".
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Михаил Сергеевич
11.04.2013 16:44
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Я с 46 года. И мы были воркутянами, Так что ля-ля, это Вы, молодой человек.
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Стэлс
11.04.2013 16:51
Поддерживаю!
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Что предлогаешь?
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Жарук
09.04.2013 20:09
в тему
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За неоплату коммунальных ресурсов предлагается ужесточить ответственность собственников жилых помещений, управляющих компаний, ТСЖ и жилищных кооперативов
Проект Федерального закона РФ "О внесении изменений в Жилищный кодекс РФ и отдельные законодательные акты РФ"
Законопроектом предусматривается, в частности:
изменение размера пени за несвоевременную или неполную оплату коммунальных ресурсов с одной трехсотой ставки рефинансирования ЦБ РФ от невыплаченных в срок сумм за каждый день просрочки до одной стосемидесятой от невыплаченных в срок сумм за каждый день просрочки;
право заключения договоров непосредственно между ресурсоснабжающими организациями и собственниками жилых помещений в многоквартирном доме, а также право ресурсоснабжающих организаций на инициативу по организации общего собрания собственников жилых помещений;
право ресурсоснабжающих организаций на предъявление требований об оплате поставленных ресурсов непосредственно к собственникам и нанимателям жилых помещений в случае неисполнения этой обязанности управляющими компаниями, ТСЖ и ЖК;
право ресурсоснабжающих организаций отказаться от исполнения договора в случае превышения задолженности за поставленные ресурсы за два последних расчетных периода, признанной управляющей компанией, ТСЖ, ЖК или решением суда, в порядке, который должно будет установить Правительство РФ;
применение в случае отсутствия приборов учета повышающих коэффициентов при расчете платы за поставленные ресурсы (за исключением случаев технической невозможности установки таких приборов) в порядке, установленном Правительством РФ;
обязанность собственников жилых помещений в многоквартирном доме незамедлительно принимать меры по устранению выявленных дефектов общего имущества дома, если его физический износ достиг предельно допустимых характеристик, либо оплатить расходы организаций ЖКХ на устранение упомянутых дефектов;
право юридических лиц и индивидуальных предпринимателей, которым вносится плата за жилое помещение и коммунальные услуги, на обращение в суд с иском об обращении взыскания на жилое помещение для удовлетворения за счет этого имущества требований, вызванных неисполнением обязательств по внесению платы за жилое помещение и коммунальные услуги и взносов на капитальный ремонт (с предоставлением бывшему собственнику, для которого принадлежавшая ему квартира являлась единственным жильем, жилого помещения на условиях найма в том случае, если вырученные за проданную квартиру средства не позволяют и оплатить задолженность, и приобрести более дешевую квартиру в собственность должника).
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Кто принял закон об начислении ОДН??? Гос.Дума, большинство среди которой- единороссы….
Кто подписал закон? Президент ….
Кто устроил пиар компанию, после того, как практичесски вся Россия возмущена антинародным законом по ОДН? Единороссы….
Когда единороссы устроили дешевый пиар? Когда стало точно известно, что ОДН отменяется…
Почему ОДН не вменен в столице? Потому что там центр…там все на виду и в случае введения ОДН в столице, волнения народа на Болотной площади, покажутся цветочками. Поэтому единороссы испытали введение ОДН на перифериии…по всей стране, но не в столице….Не прошел номер. Теперь вы примазываетесь к мнению народа…типо и вы с народом,,,вроде как за народ болеете….
Вы за МРОТ так поволновались бы….подписи пособирали….за переселение….за прозрачность и доступность списков на переселение….Нет, там вы знаете что дохлый номер…
Так что не надо бабушку лохматить, вы и на этом ОДНе пытаетесь заработать себе баллы.
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фифа
09.04.2013 22:57
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ахренеть!!!! и это уже обосрали!!!!
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Хорс
09.04.2013 23:08
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Фифа, как Вы считаете,кто принял большинством голосов закон об ОДН?
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Ужссс
11.04.2013 00:51
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Ну да, обосрали. А как еще?
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Дешевый пиар единороссов
09.04.2013 22:25
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Кстати, на очереди новые поправки в законодательство….Если собственники жилья не установят себе общедомовые приборы учета потребления энергоресурсов, и не оплатят их сверх квартплаты, по цене установленной энергоснабжающей организацией, закон предусматривает ежемесячное повышение на 10% тарифов и так до 60%….Единороссы, вы по этому закону почему не шевелитесь? Давай, собирайте подписи, пока закон не утвержден президентом……
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Знахарь
09.04.2013 23:46
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А у нас что, президент отделён от ЕР??? Как же они против "ПАПЫ" попрут???
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дляЗнахаря
10.04.2013 00:13
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В том то и дело,что не отделен….В таком случае, возникает вопрос: ребята,а зачем вы устроили пиар кампанию по сбору подписей,когда стало известно, что на законодательном уровне,принято решение об упорядочении начисления по ОДН?
Где вы были в январе/феврале 2013 года,когда народ получил квиточки? Почему не поднимали этот вопрос в феврале?
Люди уже сыты вашими предвыборными лозунгами и баннерами на стенах наших домов "Бесплатные учебники детям. ПрисоЕДиняйся"…Помните? Но вместо бесплатных учебников вы вводите платное обучение в общеобразовательных школах….Люди уже не один раз слышали от "обещаю обещать" заверения разобраться в ЖКХ….А вместо "разобраться" по справедливости, нам вводят ОДН…..
Из СМИ,нам обещают: "МЫ разберемся с коррупцией, МЫ наведем порядок в ЖКХ….
Вот и возникает вопрос,кто утвердил законопроект об ОДН а потом пытался его внедрить? Слесарь дядя Вася, уборщица Маша или все таки закон был принят Гос.Думой,где значительное большинство единоросов, и подписан Президентом? В таком случае,единоросы,инициируя сбор подписей, против кого собирают подписи?
Никаких "МЫ" не существует!!! Это все демагогия для оболванивания народа. Точка.
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форс
10.04.2013 07:20
Ася
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А по-моему все понятно. И не в Воркуте ЕР принимала и выдумывала эти законы. Упрекать местное отделение так же глупо как приписывать грехи "новых" коммунистов по всей России только одному местному отделению КПРФ в лице Конкаловича. И вообще, молчат – плохо, говорят-опять недовольны.
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10.04.2013 07:57
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Дело в том, что хороша ложка к обеду! А наша местная ЕР только после драки кулаками машет, да и не столько машет, сколько делает вид, Власть готовит новые "драконовские" поправки, о которых выше говорится в комментах – ну, едроссы? Где вы? Дайте хоть раз к обеду ложку-то?
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С мнением
10.04.2013 07:56
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Сначала выкопают яму ,а затем закопают и все под ликующие аплодисменты –так могут только ЕДИНОРОСЦЫ.
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Ага тронуло
10.04.2013 09:29
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Пока Вова не наругал партия не шевелилась хотя эту тему уже давно мусолят!!!
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да уж
10.04.2013 11:01
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После введения ОДН, первым поднял тревогу и направил в Службу по тарифам РК официальный запрос с требованием разъяснения положения ОДН и их отмены, Горбачев Г.Ф.
До этого, местное отделение КПРФ организовало сбор подписей против беспредела в ЖКХ…
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777
10.04.2013 11:35
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ой да ладно! это он вам сказал? :-))))
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для 777
10.04.2013 11:42
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Ой не ладно…..Есть официальное обращение…
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для 777
10.04.2013 11:49
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Уважаемый Илья Евгеньевич!
В связи с многочисленными обращениями граждан и возрастающим социальным напряжением населения города Воркута с введением новых нормативов и ценообразования стоимости (тариф) для 1 Гкал и 1 тонны хим. очищенной воды, прошу Вас предоставить в мое распоряжение:
1. Расчеты топливно – энергетического баланса предприятия -поставщика (источник) тепловой энергии и теплоносителя для территории муниципального образования город Воркута РК, которые являются основой для формирования Службой РК по тарифам, отпускной цены за 1 (одну) Гкал и 1 тонну хим. очищенной воды на 2013 год, для юридических лиц и населения города Воркуты.
2. Расчеты формирования базовой цены (тариф) оптового покупателя-поставщика энергоресурсов на территории муниципального образования город Воркута.
3. Расчеты формирования базовой цены на общедомовые нужды (ОДН) на основании которых Служба РК по тарифам, расчитала для конечного потребителя ООО УК "Центральное" и ООО УК "Горняцкое", норматив ОДН на 1 м. кв., для МКД, расположенных на территории муниципального образования город Воркута.
Ответ прошу дать в установленные законодательством сроки.
С уважением депутат Государственного Совета Республики Коми, Горбачев Геннадий Федорович.
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Воркутинец
10.04.2013 16:47
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Ну и какая была реакция на этот запрос?
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Стэлс
10.04.2013 12:01
партии близнецы
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Сразу поднял тревогу это 26 февраля??? Оперативно… А подписей 100 собрал, можно узнать.
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для Стелс
10.04.2013 12:07
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Квиточки население Воркуты с новой строкой ОДН получили когда? Правильно, за январь, в феврале месяце. Вот в феврале и было направлен запрос. [отмодерировано] Вы, единоросы,в каком месяце начали свою пиар кампанию? Верно, в апреле…..
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Стэлс
10.04.2013 13:19
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Проблема ОДН была известна ещё до НГ, в декабре 2012 Мочалов людей собирал на митинг. [отмодерировано] Вот это верно, а не 26 февраля!
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Стелсу
10.04.2013 12:12
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Дело не в количестве подписей, а действительно в оперативности.
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Стелс не ерничай
10.04.2013 12:48
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Нет, Горбачев подписи не собирал. Достаточно одной подписи Горбачева.По своему статусу он действует от лица избирателей, которые доверили ему действовать от их лица.
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10.04.2013 11:34
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даааа! для вас и делать то ничего не хочется
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для 1
10.04.2013 12:10
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Так как вы делаете,лучше не надо.
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Пенсионер
11.04.2013 23:11
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Когда сделаете – посмотрим. Пока говорить не о чем.
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для 777
10.04.2013 12:03
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Обратите внимание на дату запроса депутата Гос. Совета Горбачева в Службу тарифов РК…..Так что ваш единоросовский пиар, несколько припозднился……..
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членам партии Единая Россия
10.04.2013 12:46
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Единоросы, обратите внимание, что новые поправки, во многих случаях, противоречат Гражданскому Кодексу,который по своему статусу, выше Жилищного.Займитесь делом.
1. "…..инициативу по организации общего собрания собственников жилых помещений;"
2. "…изменение размера пени за несвоевременную или неполную оплату коммунальных ресурсов с одной трехсотой ставки рефинансирования ЦБ РФ от невыплаченных в срок сумм за каждый день просрочки до одной стосемидесятой от невыплаченных в срок сумм за каждый день просрочки;"
3. "…собственники жилья не установят себе общедомовые приборы учета потребления энергоресурсов, и не оплатят их сверх квартплаты, по цене установленной энергоснабжающей организацией, закон предусматривает ежемесячное повышение на 10% тарифов и так до 60%…"
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Стэлс
10.04.2013 13:23
а толку нет
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Тема ещё хуже ОДН! Может пора партиям вместе работать для людей Воркуты??? Опять Горбачёв запрос через квартал напишет, а ЕР спустя полгода… Зачем эти дармоеды нужны?
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Стелсу
10.04.2013 13:49
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Наконец – то вас посетило конструктивное предложение. [отмодерировано] В этом хаосе, мы позабыли,что все мы – граждане одной Великой страны, попавшей в беду.
И только поэтому, собирать подписи под протестными требованиями, выходить с требованиями на улицы и площади города (ов), нужно не под флагами, а от имени гражданского общества. [отмодерировано]
Да, дело вовсе не в Горбачеве или Куликове,Попове или Канкаловиче,Шумейке или Говорове….Дело в нас самих.
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Стэлс
10.04.2013 15:14
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Наконец до вас дошла такая простая мысль.
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Стелсу
10.04.2013 17:20
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Я и пытаюсь это доказать. А свои проблемы, как Вы говорите, решаете самостоятельно, это не выход. Вы живете в обществе.Хорошем или плохом,но обществе.Сегодня у Вас есть возможность решать свои проблемы самостоятельно. Не факт, что завтра Вы не в состоянии будете это сделать.
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Стелсу
10.04.2013 13:59
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Начинайте, а мы – поддержим. Или слабо выступить инициатором?
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Стэлс
10.04.2013 15:08
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Я не партия и решаю сам свои проблемы, поэтому всё это пустая болтовня. Зачем такие партии нужны(еркпрфлдпр и тп)???
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Пенсионер
11.04.2013 23:13
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Для создания иллюзии что партий несколько
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форс
10.04.2013 14:02
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Так вам сказали: подписи начали собирать, так как ни на один запрос ответ не получили!
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форсу
10.04.2013 14:34
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Получен…Обычное словоблудие Службы тарифов по РК. Над ответом работают наши юристы.
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форс
10.04.2013 15:17
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А ваши это чьи :)
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форсу
10.04.2013 15:22
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Какая разница. Главное – не юристы от ЕР
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Воркутинец
10.04.2013 16:52
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Что вы делитесь. Надо сейчас выступать всем вместе против ОДН. Токда и пени не посмеют применить. Куликов пытается сделать дело, а вы его обсираете. Надо объединяться и делать дело под различными париями, обществами и объединениями. Собирайте подписи – вот и будет доля вашего учапстия. Или вы за ОДН?
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для Воркутинца
10.04.2013 17:24
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Куликов пытается????? Вы шутите наверное.Тоже мне,нашли борюна за справедливость. Где был Куликов в начале года, когда нам выставили ОДН? Чё то его не видать было и не слыхать. Куликов начал свою "борьбу", когда вопрос с ОДНами был практичесски решен.
Еще раз задумайтесь: кто ввел ОДН? Кто принял и подписал закон об ОДН?
И кто теперь "борется" за их "отмену"….Так и будете верить ПЖиВ?
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Воркутинец
10.04.2013 17:30
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Что ты надрываешься. СЕГОДНЯ Куликов, учитывая, что на запросы депутатов и партий идут отписки, предлагает обратиться к Путину. Вы что против??
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Пенсионер
11.04.2013 23:16
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Людей можно понять – у них уже есть образ российского политика, бездарного, жадного, жирного и глупого, который пытается пиратиться за счет чужой работы, на других. В Воркуте такие тоже были у власти (а некоторые и сейчас есть), так что недоверие вполне понятно. Люди не могут представить что у власти могут быть не паразиты а нормальные люди.
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Пенсионер
11.04.2013 23:19
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Да и я не могу в общем-то… ну не представляется что в компании навозных мух может нормально существовать божья коровка. Не логично. Хотя может чудеса и бывают :)
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Воркутинец
10.04.2013 17:31
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Что ты предлагаешь делать????
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Воркутинец
10.04.2013 17:32
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Сам ничего не делаешь и других блокируешь!
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для Воркутинца
10.04.2013 17:43
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Делаю…делаю больше чем ты можешь себе предположить.
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Иван
10.04.2013 19:54
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Наверное ты очень засекреченный подпольщик: делаешь и об этом никто не знает, да и ты скрываешь, что делаешь!!!!
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Для Вани
10.04.2013 22:24
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Нет, не очень закреченный подпольщик.Не хочу чтобы кости мыли.
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не очень закреченному подпольщику
11.04.2013 14:16
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Ты то что предлогаешь? Всех расхаял, а сам ничего не делаешь?
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для Вани
11.04.2013 14:24
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Я предлагаю гнать к едреней фене все партии, особенно партию ПЖиВ от вопроса ОДН. Тем более чтовведение ОДН это их рук дело.
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не очень закреченному подпольщику
11.04.2013 15:26
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А кто же будет добиваться отмены ОДН?? И каким образом предлагаешь "гнать к едреней фене все партии"? Вот так все дела подменяют болтовней!
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для Вани
11.04.2013 15:41
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Ты считаешь, что нужно гобращаться за помощью к единороссам, которые и применили ОДН? В корень смотри Вань,в корень! Они сегодня ОДН применили/отменили,завтра еще какую либо хрень придумают.
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для Вани
11.04.2013 15:42
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Еще раз говорю: это ты родимый в инете борюн. Другие, в отличии от тебя – работают,добиваются и не пиарятся.
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Иван
11.04.2013 16:05
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А кто пиарится? Я!!?
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Ивану
11.04.2013 16:46
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Ты – инетовский борюн,подпевала едросовский
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Ваня
11.04.2013 18:48
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Ой ойойойой! Помогите! Страшно!!!!!! :-)
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Ивану
11.04.2013 18:55
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Да ладно Вань, не бойся…я добрый.
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Иван
11.04.2013 20:05
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Да вы просто недоросль.
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для С мнением
11.04.2013 20:23
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В инете нахватались, Ваня? Попустит…
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для Воркутинца
10.04.2013 17:43
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Если подписи собирает гражданин Куликов, с удовольствием подпишусь. Если подписи собирает партия Единая Россия – лучше буду платить ОДН.
Куликов? К Путину? А кто подписал этот закон? Путин!
Очередной предвыборный пиар.
Надрываюсь не я. Надрывается Куликов.
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человек
10.04.2013 18:14
вопрос
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что значит очередной предвыборный пиар? Выборов в этом году никаких не будет!
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Воркутинец
10.04.2013 18:31
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Для Куликова выборы закончились уже. На округе победил Конкалович . О каком предвыборном пиаре идет речь?
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С мнением
10.04.2013 21:15
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Интересно ! А сколько подписалось? Пусть лучше поздно чем не когда!!!
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для С мнением
11.04.2013 20:16
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Ага,после пожара и ….насос
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777
10.04.2013 21:34
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Да вроде около 4 тысяч
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жду ответ
10.04.2013 22:23
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И все таки,кто большинством голосов принял закон об ОДНах? Не единороссы ли?
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777
10.04.2013 23:25
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воркутинское отделение приняло? кто этот лицимер?
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для 777
11.04.2013 10:27
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Ваши лидеры (ПЖиВ) большинством голосов приняли ОДН…
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для для 777
11.04.2013 20:20
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а ваши лидеры просто душки
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для для для 777
11.04.2013 20:25
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Все одинаковы,но ваши особенно лживые
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для для 777
11.04.2013 20:39
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ну да да :-) Особенно ваш местный лидер
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для для 777
11.04.2013 22:46
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О! Вы единоросс?
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11.04.2013 23:21
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Стыдно признаться,но – да, единорос…
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мысль до полуночи
11.04.2013 23:20
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Все ругают власть и думают если сменить Петрова на Сидорова, Шойгу на Сердюкова, Путина на Медведева, Медведева на Путина, Этого на Этого то будет хорошо. Но дело гораздо глубже, Лучше не будет
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для777
12.04.2013 07:15
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Я писал не про вашего лидера, сорри. И лидеры то поменялись вообще то. Да дело уже не в этом… Так что же ты мил человек неволишь то себя? Почему из партии то не выйдешь?
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12.04.2013 11:20
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Нет у меня силы воли.Боюсь бросить билет. Работа,знаете ли……бизнес……
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12.04.2013 11:24
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А они вас защищают что ли?
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12.04.2013 21:59
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Да
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13.04.2013 09:37
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Вместо того, чтоб тут языком чесать, сходили бы и подпись поставили – всё больше пользы будет!
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зачем?
13.04.2013 16:12
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Зачем "сходить" ставить подпись? Вопрос упорядочения ОДН – решен….Дорога ложка к обеду.
Иван
09.04.2013 19:39Warning: mysql_query(): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' (using password: NO) in /home/zap-online/xn----7sbab5aqdhdtddeir3v.xn--p1ai/docs/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/comment-rating.php on line 219
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Присоединяюсь и приглашаю принять участие всех жителей Воркуты!
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Иван
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Реальное дело ЕР
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Хорс
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Реальное дело ЕР – принять закон по ОДН. Кто, скажите мне принял этот анинародный закон? Либералы? Комунисты или единороссы????? Верно, Иван, единороссы. Вот это и есть их реальное дело!
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Знахарь
09.04.2013 19:51Warning: mysql_query(): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' (using password: NO) in /home/zap-online/xn----7sbab5aqdhdtddeir3v.xn--p1ai/docs/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/comment-rating.php on line 219
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АУ! Воркутяне!!! Неужели так мало людей желают хоть что то сделать ради общего и своего блага??? Или только сидя за компьютером можно возмущаться??? Где ваша поддержка??? Не будьте инертными или Вас затопчут в навозе……………………………
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Ага тронуло
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Воркутянен я Воркутинец!
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история
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Люди,которые жили в Воркуте с начала ее основания, считали себя воркутянами. Не воркутинцами.
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Николай
10.04.2013 20:25Воркутинцы
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Я в Воркуте с 1960 года . Мы всегда были Воркутинцы! " Воркутяне", как прикол, появились во времена Горбачевской перестройки. Так что – не надо "ля-ля".
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Михаил Сергеевич
11.04.2013 16:44Warning: mysql_query(): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' (using password: NO) in /home/zap-online/xn----7sbab5aqdhdtddeir3v.xn--p1ai/docs/wp-content/plugins/comment-rating/comment-rating.php on line 219
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Я с 46 года. И мы были воркутянами, Так что ля-ля, это Вы, молодой человек.
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Стэлс
11.04.2013 16:51Поддерживаю!
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Может они ещё с летописцем Негретовым поспорят?
http://xn—-7sbab5aqdhdtddeir3v.xn--p1ai/policy/negretov-p-i-vse-dorogi-vedut-na-vorkutu-otryvok-iz-knigi.html
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Иван
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Что предлогаешь?
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Жарук
09.04.2013 20:09в тему
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За неоплату коммунальных ресурсов предлагается ужесточить ответственность собственников жилых помещений, управляющих компаний, ТСЖ и жилищных кооперативов
Проект Федерального закона РФ "О внесении изменений в Жилищный кодекс РФ и отдельные законодательные акты РФ"
Законопроектом предусматривается, в частности:
изменение размера пени за несвоевременную или неполную оплату коммунальных ресурсов с одной трехсотой ставки рефинансирования ЦБ РФ от невыплаченных в срок сумм за каждый день просрочки до одной стосемидесятой от невыплаченных в срок сумм за каждый день просрочки;
право заключения договоров непосредственно между ресурсоснабжающими организациями и собственниками жилых помещений в многоквартирном доме, а также право ресурсоснабжающих организаций на инициативу по организации общего собрания собственников жилых помещений;
право ресурсоснабжающих организаций на предъявление требований об оплате поставленных ресурсов непосредственно к собственникам и нанимателям жилых помещений в случае неисполнения этой обязанности управляющими компаниями, ТСЖ и ЖК;
право ресурсоснабжающих организаций отказаться от исполнения договора в случае превышения задолженности за поставленные ресурсы за два последних расчетных периода, признанной управляющей компанией, ТСЖ, ЖК или решением суда, в порядке, который должно будет установить Правительство РФ;
применение в случае отсутствия приборов учета повышающих коэффициентов при расчете платы за поставленные ресурсы (за исключением случаев технической невозможности установки таких приборов) в порядке, установленном Правительством РФ;
обязанность собственников жилых помещений в многоквартирном доме незамедлительно принимать меры по устранению выявленных дефектов общего имущества дома, если его физический износ достиг предельно допустимых характеристик, либо оплатить расходы организаций ЖКХ на устранение упомянутых дефектов;
право юридических лиц и индивидуальных предпринимателей, которым вносится плата за жилое помещение и коммунальные услуги, на обращение в суд с иском об обращении взыскания на жилое помещение для удовлетворения за счет этого имущества требований, вызванных неисполнением обязательств по внесению платы за жилое помещение и коммунальные услуги и взносов на капитальный ремонт (с предоставлением бывшему собственнику, для которого принадлежавшая ему квартира являлась единственным жильем, жилого помещения на условиях найма в том случае, если вырученные за проданную квартиру средства не позволяют и оплатить задолженность, и приобрести более дешевую квартиру в собственность должника).
http://www.consultant.ru/law/hotdocs/25042.html#.UWQ8jr22pAs
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Дешевый пиар единороссов
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Кто принял закон об начислении ОДН??? Гос.Дума, большинство среди которой- единороссы….
Кто подписал закон? Президент ….
Кто устроил пиар компанию, после того, как практичесски вся Россия возмущена антинародным законом по ОДН? Единороссы….
Когда единороссы устроили дешевый пиар? Когда стало точно известно, что ОДН отменяется…
Почему ОДН не вменен в столице? Потому что там центр…там все на виду и в случае введения ОДН в столице, волнения народа на Болотной площади, покажутся цветочками. Поэтому единороссы испытали введение ОДН на перифериии…по всей стране, но не в столице….Не прошел номер. Теперь вы примазываетесь к мнению народа…типо и вы с народом,,,вроде как за народ болеете….
Вы за МРОТ так поволновались бы….подписи пособирали….за переселение….за прозрачность и доступность списков на переселение….Нет, там вы знаете что дохлый номер…
Так что не надо бабушку лохматить, вы и на этом ОДНе пытаетесь заработать себе баллы.
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фифа
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ахренеть!!!! и это уже обосрали!!!!
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Хорс
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Фифа, как Вы считаете,кто принял большинством голосов закон об ОДН?
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Ужссс
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Ну да, обосрали. А как еще?
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Кстати, на очереди новые поправки в законодательство….Если собственники жилья не установят себе общедомовые приборы учета потребления энергоресурсов, и не оплатят их сверх квартплаты, по цене установленной энергоснабжающей организацией, закон предусматривает ежемесячное повышение на 10% тарифов и так до 60%….Единороссы, вы по этому закону почему не шевелитесь? Давай, собирайте подписи, пока закон не утвержден президентом……
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Знахарь
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А у нас что, президент отделён от ЕР??? Как же они против "ПАПЫ" попрут???
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В том то и дело,что не отделен….В таком случае, возникает вопрос: ребята,а зачем вы устроили пиар кампанию по сбору подписей,когда стало известно, что на законодательном уровне,принято решение об упорядочении начисления по ОДН?
Где вы были в январе/феврале 2013 года,когда народ получил квиточки? Почему не поднимали этот вопрос в феврале?
Люди уже сыты вашими предвыборными лозунгами и баннерами на стенах наших домов "Бесплатные учебники детям. ПрисоЕДиняйся"…Помните? Но вместо бесплатных учебников вы вводите платное обучение в общеобразовательных школах….Люди уже не один раз слышали от "обещаю обещать" заверения разобраться в ЖКХ….А вместо "разобраться" по справедливости, нам вводят ОДН…..
Из СМИ,нам обещают: "МЫ разберемся с коррупцией, МЫ наведем порядок в ЖКХ….
Вот и возникает вопрос,кто утвердил законопроект об ОДН а потом пытался его внедрить? Слесарь дядя Вася, уборщица Маша или все таки закон был принят Гос.Думой,где значительное большинство единоросов, и подписан Президентом? В таком случае,единоросы,инициируя сбор подписей, против кого собирают подписи?
Никаких "МЫ" не существует!!! Это все демагогия для оболванивания народа. Точка.
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форс
10.04.2013 07:20Ася
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А по-моему все понятно. И не в Воркуте ЕР принимала и выдумывала эти законы. Упрекать местное отделение так же глупо как приписывать грехи "новых" коммунистов по всей России только одному местному отделению КПРФ в лице Конкаловича. И вообще, молчат – плохо, говорят-опять недовольны.
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Дело в том, что хороша ложка к обеду! А наша местная ЕР только после драки кулаками машет, да и не столько машет, сколько делает вид, Власть готовит новые "драконовские" поправки, о которых выше говорится в комментах – ну, едроссы? Где вы? Дайте хоть раз к обеду ложку-то?
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С мнением
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Сначала выкопают яму ,а затем закопают и все под ликующие аплодисменты –так могут только ЕДИНОРОСЦЫ.
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Ага тронуло
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Пока Вова не наругал партия не шевелилась хотя эту тему уже давно мусолят!!!
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да уж
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После введения ОДН, первым поднял тревогу и направил в Службу по тарифам РК официальный запрос с требованием разъяснения положения ОДН и их отмены, Горбачев Г.Ф.
До этого, местное отделение КПРФ организовало сбор подписей против беспредела в ЖКХ…
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ой да ладно! это он вам сказал? :-))))
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для 777
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Ой не ладно…..Есть официальное обращение…
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для 777
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"26" ФЕВРАЛЯ 2013Г. №______________________
ДЕПУТАТСКИЙ ЗАПРОС
(в соответствии со ст.43 Регламента Государственного Совета Республики Коми и ст.18 Закона Республики Коми «О статусе депутата Государственного Совета Республики Коми»
167981 Сыктывкар, улица Ленина, дом №73 тел/факс – (8212) 29-15-72 E-mail: post@komirec.ru Руководителю Службы по тарифам Илье Евгеньевичу Первакову.
Уважаемый Илья Евгеньевич!
В связи с многочисленными обращениями граждан и возрастающим социальным напряжением населения города Воркута с введением новых нормативов и ценообразования стоимости (тариф) для 1 Гкал и 1 тонны хим. очищенной воды, прошу Вас предоставить в мое распоряжение:
1. Расчеты топливно – энергетического баланса предприятия -поставщика (источник) тепловой энергии и теплоносителя для территории муниципального образования город Воркута РК, которые являются основой для формирования Службой РК по тарифам, отпускной цены за 1 (одну) Гкал и 1 тонну хим. очищенной воды на 2013 год, для юридических лиц и населения города Воркуты.
2. Расчеты формирования базовой цены (тариф) оптового покупателя-поставщика энергоресурсов на территории муниципального образования город Воркута.
3. Расчеты формирования базовой цены на общедомовые нужды (ОДН) на основании которых Служба РК по тарифам, расчитала для конечного потребителя ООО УК "Центральное" и ООО УК "Горняцкое", норматив ОДН на 1 м. кв., для МКД, расположенных на территории муниципального образования город Воркута.
Ответ прошу дать в установленные законодательством сроки.
С уважением депутат Государственного Совета Республики Коми, Горбачев Геннадий Федорович.
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Ну и какая была реакция на этот запрос?
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10.04.2013 12:01партии близнецы
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Сразу поднял тревогу это 26 февраля??? Оперативно… А подписей 100 собрал, можно узнать.
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Квиточки население Воркуты с новой строкой ОДН получили когда? Правильно, за январь, в феврале месяце. Вот в феврале и было направлен запрос.
[отмодерировано] Вы, единоросы,в каком месяце начали свою пиар кампанию? Верно, в апреле…..
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Проблема ОДН была известна ещё до НГ, в декабре 2012 Мочалов людей собирал на митинг. [отмодерировано] Вот это верно, а не 26 февраля!
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Дело не в количестве подписей, а действительно в оперативности.
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Стелс не ерничай
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Нет, Горбачев подписи не собирал. Достаточно одной подписи Горбачева.По своему статусу он действует от лица избирателей, которые доверили ему действовать от их лица.
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даааа! для вас и делать то ничего не хочется
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Так как вы делаете,лучше не надо.
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Когда сделаете – посмотрим. Пока говорить не о чем.
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Обратите внимание на дату запроса депутата Гос. Совета Горбачева в Службу тарифов РК…..Так что ваш единоросовский пиар, несколько припозднился……..
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членам партии Единая Россия
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Единоросы, обратите внимание, что новые поправки, во многих случаях, противоречат Гражданскому Кодексу,который по своему статусу, выше Жилищного.Займитесь делом.
1. "…..инициативу по организации общего собрания собственников жилых помещений;"
2. "…изменение размера пени за несвоевременную или неполную оплату коммунальных ресурсов с одной трехсотой ставки рефинансирования ЦБ РФ от невыплаченных в срок сумм за каждый день просрочки до одной стосемидесятой от невыплаченных в срок сумм за каждый день просрочки;"
3. "…собственники жилья не установят себе общедомовые приборы учета потребления энергоресурсов, и не оплатят их сверх квартплаты, по цене установленной энергоснабжающей организацией, закон предусматривает ежемесячное повышение на 10% тарифов и так до 60%…"
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10.04.2013 13:23а толку нет
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Тема ещё хуже ОДН! Может пора партиям вместе работать для людей Воркуты??? Опять Горбачёв запрос через квартал напишет, а ЕР спустя полгода… Зачем эти дармоеды нужны?
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Наконец – то вас посетило конструктивное предложение. [отмодерировано] В этом хаосе, мы позабыли,что все мы – граждане одной Великой страны, попавшей в беду.
И только поэтому, собирать подписи под протестными требованиями, выходить с требованиями на улицы и площади города (ов), нужно не под флагами, а от имени гражданского общества.
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Да, дело вовсе не в Горбачеве или Куликове,Попове или Канкаловиче,Шумейке или Говорове….Дело в нас самих.
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Наконец до вас дошла такая простая мысль.
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Я и пытаюсь это доказать. А свои проблемы, как Вы говорите, решаете самостоятельно, это не выход. Вы живете в обществе.Хорошем или плохом,но обществе.Сегодня у Вас есть возможность решать свои проблемы самостоятельно. Не факт, что завтра Вы не в состоянии будете это сделать.
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Начинайте, а мы – поддержим. Или слабо выступить инициатором?
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Я не партия и решаю сам свои проблемы, поэтому всё это пустая болтовня. Зачем такие партии нужны(еркпрфлдпр и тп)???
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Для создания иллюзии что партий несколько
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Так вам сказали: подписи начали собирать, так как ни на один запрос ответ не получили!
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Получен…Обычное словоблудие Службы тарифов по РК. Над ответом работают наши юристы.
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А ваши это чьи :)
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Какая разница. Главное – не юристы от ЕР
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Что вы делитесь. Надо сейчас выступать всем вместе против ОДН. Токда и пени не посмеют применить. Куликов пытается сделать дело, а вы его обсираете. Надо объединяться и делать дело под различными париями, обществами и объединениями. Собирайте подписи – вот и будет доля вашего учапстия. Или вы за ОДН?
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Куликов пытается????? Вы шутите наверное.Тоже мне,нашли борюна за справедливость. Где был Куликов в начале года, когда нам выставили ОДН? Чё то его не видать было и не слыхать. Куликов начал свою "борьбу", когда вопрос с ОДНами был практичесски решен.
Еще раз задумайтесь: кто ввел ОДН? Кто принял и подписал закон об ОДН?
И кто теперь "борется" за их "отмену"….Так и будете верить ПЖиВ?
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Что ты надрываешься. СЕГОДНЯ Куликов, учитывая, что на запросы депутатов и партий идут отписки, предлагает обратиться к Путину. Вы что против??
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Людей можно понять – у них уже есть образ российского политика, бездарного, жадного, жирного и глупого, который пытается пиратиться за счет чужой работы, на других. В Воркуте такие тоже были у власти (а некоторые и сейчас есть), так что недоверие вполне понятно. Люди не могут представить что у власти могут быть не паразиты а нормальные люди.
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Да и я не могу в общем-то… ну не представляется что в компании навозных мух может нормально существовать божья коровка. Не логично. Хотя может чудеса и бывают :)
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Что ты предлагаешь делать????
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Сам ничего не делаешь и других блокируешь!
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Делаю…делаю больше чем ты можешь себе предположить.
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Наверное ты очень засекреченный подпольщик: делаешь и об этом никто не знает, да и ты скрываешь, что делаешь!!!!
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Нет, не очень закреченный подпольщик.Не хочу чтобы кости мыли.
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не очень закреченному подпольщику
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Ты то что предлогаешь? Всех расхаял, а сам ничего не делаешь?
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Я предлагаю гнать к едреней фене все партии, особенно партию ПЖиВ от вопроса ОДН. Тем более чтовведение ОДН это их рук дело.
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не очень закреченному подпольщику
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А кто же будет добиваться отмены ОДН?? И каким образом предлагаешь "гнать к едреней фене все партии"? Вот так все дела подменяют болтовней!
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Ты считаешь, что нужно гобращаться за помощью к единороссам, которые и применили ОДН? В корень смотри Вань,в корень! Они сегодня ОДН применили/отменили,завтра еще какую либо хрень придумают.
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Еще раз говорю: это ты родимый в инете борюн. Другие, в отличии от тебя – работают,добиваются и не пиарятся.
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А кто пиарится? Я!!?
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Ты – инетовский борюн,подпевала едросовский
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Ой ойойойой! Помогите! Страшно!!!!!! :-)
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Да ладно Вань, не бойся…я добрый.
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Да вы просто недоросль.
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В инете нахватались, Ваня? Попустит…
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Если подписи собирает гражданин Куликов, с удовольствием подпишусь. Если подписи собирает партия Единая Россия – лучше буду платить ОДН.
Куликов? К Путину? А кто подписал этот закон? Путин!
Очередной предвыборный пиар.
Надрываюсь не я. Надрывается Куликов.
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10.04.2013 18:14вопрос
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что значит очередной предвыборный пиар? Выборов в этом году никаких не будет!
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Для Куликова выборы закончились уже. На округе победил Конкалович . О каком предвыборном пиаре идет речь?
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Интересно ! А сколько подписалось? Пусть лучше поздно чем не когда!!!
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Ага,после пожара и ….насос
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Да вроде около 4 тысяч
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И все таки,кто большинством голосов принял закон об ОДНах? Не единороссы ли?
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воркутинское отделение приняло? кто этот лицимер?
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Ваши лидеры (ПЖиВ) большинством голосов приняли ОДН…
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а ваши лидеры просто душки
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Все одинаковы,но ваши особенно лживые
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ну да да :-) Особенно ваш местный лидер
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О! Вы единоросс?
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Стыдно признаться,но – да, единорос…
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Все ругают власть и думают если сменить Петрова на Сидорова, Шойгу на Сердюкова, Путина на Медведева, Медведева на Путина, Этого на Этого то будет хорошо. Но дело гораздо глубже, Лучше не будет
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Я писал не про вашего лидера, сорри. И лидеры то поменялись вообще то. Да дело уже не в этом… Так что же ты мил человек неволишь то себя? Почему из партии то не выйдешь?
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Нет у меня силы воли.Боюсь бросить билет. Работа,знаете ли……бизнес……
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А они вас защищают что ли?
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Да
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Вместо того, чтоб тут языком чесать, сходили бы и подпись поставили – всё больше пользы будет!
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