Мэрия Воркуты возмущена действиями тепловиков: подача горячей воды в квартиры задерживается уже на 10 часов. В филиале ОАО «ТГК-9» Коми настаивают, что Воркутинская ТЭЦ уже начала сегодня подачу тепла и горячей воды потребителям в соответствии с постановлением главы администрации Воркуты.
Как сообщили в филиале «ТГК-9» Коми, ситуация осложнилась из-за того, что крупнейший потребитель Воркутинской ТЭЦ – оптовый покупатель-перепродавец тепловой энергии ООО «Тепловые сети Воркуты», в нарушение законодательства не представил в ресурсоснабжающую организацию полный объем документов, подтверждающих его готовность к началу отопительного сезона, включая заявку на поставку тепловой энергии. В этой связи Воркутинская ТЭЦ и ОАО «ТГК-9» не могут гарантировать, что качество теплоснабжения конечных потребителей будет соответствовать нормативным требованиям. Филиал ОАО «ТГК-9» Коми известил о сложившейся ситуации администрацию Воркуты, профильные министерства и ведомства региона, правоохранительные органы.
На данный момент трубопроводная система города заполнена, ТЭЦ готова обеспечить необходимый расход, давление и температуру сетевой воды. Непосредственное подключение конечных потребителей осуществляют ООО «Тепловые сети Воркуты» и жилищные организации города. От оперативности их действий зависит, когда тепло придет в дома и объекты социальной сферы.
Прошлый отопительный период в Воркуте завершился 18 июня, и на подготовку к следующему ОЗП у теплоэнергетиков заполярного города было всего 65 дней. За это время на Воркутинской ТЭЦ выполнен значительный объем работ по ремонту основного и вспомогательного оборудования, зданий и сооружений. В частности, завершен ремонт дымовой трубы Центральной водогрейной котельной. Отремонтированы 600 метров тепломагистралей, заменено 1150 метров гидротеплоизоляции, устранены дефекты, выявленные в результате гидравлических испытаний тепловых сетей.
Как и во всех других подразделениях филиала Коми, на ВТЭЦ в межотопительный период были пополнены запасы основного и резервного топлива, реагентов, запчастей и материалов, проведены тренировки персонала по отработке действий в чрезвычайных ситуациях, в том числе при резком понижении температуры наружного воздуха.
По словам технического директора – главного инженера ВТЭЦ Владимира Зорькина, все работы велись в строгом соответствии с графиком, задачи, поставленные руководством филиала Коми и штабом КЭС-Холдинга по подготовке к ОЗП, выполнены. Теплоэнергетики готовы обеспечить бесперебойное теплоснабжение потребителей в предстоящий осенне-зимний период.
В компании напоминают, что тарифы на тепловую энергию, отпускаемую Воркутинской ТЭЦ, уменьшились с 1 января почти на 6% и останутся неизменными до конца 2012 года, и фактически потребители ВТЭЦ сейчас оплачивают тепло по ценам 2009 года.
Как пояснили в администрации города, местные власти крайне возмущены сложившейся ситуацией. Так, подача тепла и горячей воды в жилищный фонд и объекты социально-производственной сферы муниципалитета должна была начаться ночью 23 августа с 00:00. Однако генерирующая компания без объяснения причин отказалась подать теплоноситель.
Как полагают в городской администрации, ОАО «ТГК-9» проигнорировала постановление мэра Воркуты о начале отопительного периода и подачи тепла в дома жителей города, подписанное 10 августа.
По словам сити-менеджера Анатолия Пуро, уже ранним утром в администрацию от воркутинцев стали поступать многочисленные звонки и жалобы. Различные коммунальные службы города, предприятия, теплосети, жители был в полной готовности принять горячую воду на свои объекты и квартиры в полночь. По факту невыполнения постановления управленцами ТГК-9 город будет подавать исковое заявление в суд и УФАС – до настоящего времени между ТГК-9 и муниципалитетом не существовало никаких серьезных разногласий и нерешенных вопросов. Сегодня в прокуратуре и администрации города состоятся заседания с участием двух сторон. Впрочем, возможно они пройдут уже после факта запуска – ориентировочно с 9.00 до 12.00. Таким образом, задержка может составить от 9 до 12 часов.
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#1 Comment By Даниил. On 23.08.2012 12:03 @
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Это как понять : "В компании напоминают, что тарифы на тепловую энергию, отпускаемую Воркутинской ТЭЦ, уменьшились с 1 января почти на 6% и останутся неизменными до конца 2012 года, и фактически потребители ВТЭЦ сейчас оплачивают тепло по ценам 2009 года" У кого уменьшились тарифы???? когда это было?????
А если у населения никогда тарифы не уменьшались, то кто хавает эти 6%??????[censored]
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#2 Comment By 8 On 23.08.2012 13:36 @
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чего не понятно то? оптовый покупатель-перепродавец тепловой энергии ООО «Тепловые сети Воркуты».
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#3 Comment By 1234 On 23.08.2012 12:11 @
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опять словоблудие
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#4 Comment By Маруся On 23.08.2012 12:31 @
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Мне, как Даниилу, интересно: у кого уменьшились тарифы?
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#5 Comment By Маня On 23.08.2012 12:55 @
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У тех, кто плпатит по тарифам тгк. То бишь у тсв
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#6 Comment By Потребитель On 23.08.2012 12:36 @
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ВСЕГО 65 ДНЕЙ этого так мало???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#7 Comment By Классик On 23.08.2012 15:26 @
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Да опупеть! В других городах 14 дней хватает, да и в Воркуте раньше хватало времени. А сейчас – рекордно долгое отключение воды, потому как на 65 дней раньше не отключали.
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#8 Comment By Агафон On 24.08.2012 15:35 @
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Народ обратитесь к своей памяти всегда так было:где то раньше подключали где то позже,причем если мне не изменяет память,то происходило это в субботу накануне Дня Шахтера.
В этот раз включили раньше на два дня- в четверг,так чем вы недовольны?
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#9 Comment By Мозг On 23.08.2012 12:46 @
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«ТГК-9» почему сразу в прокуратуру не обратилось когда похолодало?Налицо подстава.Как объяснить их поведение!Спалились на том что с 19 августа готовы были,а с 23 неготовы?!
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#10 Comment By Витамин для мозга On 23.08.2012 12:54 @
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В нашу прокуратуру хоть заобращайся толку ноль
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#11 Comment By Мозг On 23.08.2012 12:54 @
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В прокуратуре легко разберутся,а в администрации сразу станет ясно,кто тему эту будет поднимать и использовать как козырную карту!Ну и где тепло если тгк9 такие правильные?!
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#12 Comment By Потребитель On 23.08.2012 12:56 @
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По всей России 14 дней на ремонтные работы, а этим 65 дней не хватило.
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#13 Comment By истребитель On 23.08.2012 13:26 @
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А кто-то сказал, что не хватило?
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#14 Comment By Воркутинец On 23.08.2012 13:04 @
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Подстава
Задеожка подачи тепла в Воркуте – это открытая подстава Пуро. Незачто снять сити-менеджера вот и решили обрушить на него гнев народный. ТДК-9 умоет руки, но всем воздастся.
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#15 Comment By 7 On 23.08.2012 13:14 @
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Целиком и полностью согласен
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#16 Comment By 8 On 23.08.2012 13:29 @
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Пуро и подставлять не надо. На него и так компромата целый экскаватор.
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#17 Comment By Анатолий On 25.08.2012 01:11 @
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свежо предание.да верится с трудом.
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#18 Comment By 13 On 23.08.2012 16:01 @
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Поводов снять сити-мажора и без задержки тепла достаточно, а вот с теплом и так ясно: Пуро как всегда поспешил попиариться и облажал, не проверив готовность к пуску воды. Это говорит о том, что нет не только работы, но и контроля над работой других. Т.е. ничего не делается там, где нет личного интереса.
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#19 Comment By Николай On 23.08.2012 13:18 @
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Давно пора принять во внимание общую разхлябоность как властей, так и бизнесменов. Безответственное поведение, сведение личных счётов, страдает простой народ. Очень жаль, но технически проверить всю магистраль очень дорого, а так хотелось бы :) Да, не спорю, общая картина по эфективности теплоносителей печальная. Возникает простой вопрос, ЗА ЧТО мы платим и куда уходят средства?
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#20 Comment By Ника On 23.08.2012 13:27 @
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Все что происходит – полный бред и чиновничий бемпредел!
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#21 Comment By Воркута On 23.08.2012 13:37 @
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Три года подряд август ниже нормы,почему ТГК-9 сейчас озаботилось так? Раньше всё нормал? А кто топливо бешено сжигает, и с какой целью, в конце отопительного сезона, что мы в квартирах задыхаемся? И мы за расточительство, а не экономию угля и мазута ещё платим!
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#22 Comment By Участник On 23.08.2012 14:06 @
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Явная подстава, кому-то очень хочеться вызвать народный гнев против Пуро. Вот они и не дали тепло. А нам приходится страдать.
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#23 Comment By Коко шанель On 23.08.2012 16:11 @
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духа Чемоданова
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#24 Comment By 999 On 23.08.2012 14:17 @
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Не только Пурло подставами живет…
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#25 Comment By Константа On 23.08.2012 15:09 @
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Станции не смотря на абсолютно никакое финансирование морально и физически почти готовы,запуститься могем по крайней мере.Запрет на растопку сверху спустили. А насчет ваших 6 процентов не смешите,на вас экономят давно и по полной.ТСВ расплачивается с ТГК по фактически предоставленной тепловой энергии,а с населения берет по космическим нормативам,сетевеки вам тепло поджимают,экономят себе в карман(ведь разницу между фактически отпущенным теплом и нормативами никто не отменял),а у вас в хатках не жарко становится! А Пуро…Я,например,его не выбирал никем.
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#26 Comment By Аноним On 23.08.2012 15:23 @
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А кто тарифы устанавливает??? А если ТГК-9 так у нас невыгодно что они тут делают? Пусть уступят место другим! Прям нищие!
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#27 Comment By Конкурент On 25.08.2012 23:50 @
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А кто не дает прийти другим компаниям? Пожалуйста, поляна большая.
Просто кто знает северную специфику работы в теплоэнергетике, тем более нашего города с его многомиллиардными долгами, тот сюда не лезет. Денег здесь не заработаешь.
А по поводу тарифов-тебе уже кто-то писал, что необходимо читать законы. Тарифы на теплоносители устанавливает министерство по тарифам РК, а не ТГК с ТСВ. Сайт открыт, все публикуется, любую квитанцию можно проверить на предмет стоимости ГКал и т.д.
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#28 Comment By Классик On 23.08.2012 15:22 @
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Деньги за тепло люди платят, а тепло не подается. Вопрос вот в чем – куда уходят те деньги, которые были заплачены целым городом людей за тепло, которое не подают? А ведь суммы маленькие только если речь идет о теплоснабжении 1 квартиры, а умножьте сумму на количество квартир…
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#29 Comment By Аноним On 23.08.2012 15:35 @
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Вопрос конэчно интэрэсный Туды куды и за закрытые посёлки.
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#30 Comment By Классик On 23.08.2012 15:28 @
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"…Однако генерирующая компания без объяснения причин отказалась подать теплоноситель…"
Нужно без объяснения причин заколотить досками все выходы в зданиях ТГК (заодно и ТСВ), и пока не разберутся – никого не выпускать )) Сразу мозги заработают и тепло появится.
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#31 Comment By может так? On 23.08.2012 15:38 @
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заколотить досками и к выходам и к окнам поставить по автоматчику(чтобы не выбили доски и не повылазили через окна) заодно забрать все обогреватели(может тепло сами надышат) и на долгий срок.Глядишь и выводы быстрее сделают и виновных искать не будут и тепло действительно дадут.
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#32 Comment By Кот Б On 23.08.2012 16:14 @
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И заткнуть тряпками, вот именно! Тряпками!
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#33 Comment By Коровьев On 23.08.2012 16:19 @
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Там о милосердии говорилось, а тут про ТГКашек…
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#34 Comment By Злюк@ On 23.08.2012 16:55 @
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Водонагреватели и обогреватели жрут электричество немерено, хотя "Комиэнерго" посчитает и все равно мерзнем и простываем, заболеешь и побежишь в аптеку и там денежку оставишь и не малую, а теперь еще и нервы мотают, пообещали дать тепло….хочу его ощущать, честно не знаю кому это выгодно и мне без разницы у кого рот шире и кусок слаще, но обещания должны выполняться, где мои теплые батареи??????????
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#35 Comment By Ё On 23.08.2012 17:56 @
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А што комиэнерго и ТГК не одна ли шарашка?
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#36 Comment By forsait On 25.08.2012 00:06 @
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уже "100 лет" как абсолютно разные
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#37 Comment By Valerika On 23.08.2012 18:21 @
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Воду дают))
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#38 Comment By Ух ты! On 23.08.2012 19:02 @
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На фига эта вода? Она и так есть почти у всех. Где тепло????? Когда Тиман подключат?
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#39 Comment By 113 On 23.08.2012 19:11 @
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Воду дали… холодную по горячему крану. Да такую холодную, что холоднее холодной из холодного крана.
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#40 Comment By Аноним On 23.08.2012 19:29 @
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Теперь у вас 2 вентиля воды – холодная и очень холодная )))
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#41 Comment By Аноним On 23.08.2012 19:35 @
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В центре воды горячей нет, отопления нет. По состоянию на 17:30, 23 августа. По сути задержка уже около 18 часов.
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#42 Comment By Valerika On 23.08.2012 19:31 @
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у меня трубы горячие)
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#43 Comment By Стат On 23.08.2012 19:36 @
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Скажите хоть где живете – будем к вам ходить греться )
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#44 Comment By Valerika On 23.08.2012 19:50 @
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посто они "горят", вот и горячие!
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#45 Comment By 13 On 23.08.2012 19:49 @
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В 19-50 по новостям Коми дали объяву, что в дома воркутинцев пошла горячая вода. Но её нет!!!! Опять пурократы поспешили отпиариться в республику, а на самом деле настоящее очковтирательство!!!
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#46 Comment By Сёма On 23.08.2012 19:59 @
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Вы уважаемый не поняли. Когда ТГК9 осознали что это им не сойдёт, стали на каждом углу кричать что вода с 12.00 уже горячая есть. Это информация ТГК9 и мимо администрации. Пурократам такой косяк никчему.
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#47 Comment By Valerika On 23.08.2012 19:57 @
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Я во втором районе живу, у меня тут не далеко)) Жаль вода пока ржавая, а трубы горячие)
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#48 Comment By … On 23.08.2012 20:49 @
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Тоже живу во 2-ом. Трубы не ледяные, но тёплыми назвать нельзя, тем более горячими
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#49 Comment By Аноним On 23.08.2012 20:55 @
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на Некрасова в трубе воды нет
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#50 Comment By Гость On 23.08.2012 20:26 @
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6% С 4МЛРД.РУБ ЭТО 240 МЛН.РУБ. – ЭТО ПОЧТИ 8МЛН. ДОЛЛАРОВ, А ЭНАЧИТ ЕЩЕ КК МИНИМУМ 8 МИЛЛИОНЕРОВ, А ВОРКУТИНЦЫ ЭТОГО И НЕ ЗАМЕТИЛИ
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#51 Comment By Аноним On 23.08.2012 20:27 @
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Незнаю как у всех, у нас в трубах вообще воды нет.
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#52 Comment By Наташка On 23.08.2012 20:28 @
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Холод и сырость, батареи холодные, в кране пусто. Время 20:29, живу в третьем районе.(((
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#53 Comment By oiuop On 23.08.2012 20:43 @
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вода горячая пошла и тут же пропала на бульваре пищевиков, сейчас опять батареи холодные
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#54 Comment By Наташка On 23.08.2012 20:48 @
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где-то прорвало видимо…
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#55 Comment By Суворова On 23.08.2012 20:51 @
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Батареи ледяные и не былькают(
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#56 Comment By Искра On 23.08.2012 21:09 @
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Если булькают, значит процесс пошел! Не булькают, процесс завтра пойдет!
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#57 Comment By 13 On 23.08.2012 21:13 @
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лишь бы он мимо не прошёл, пуроцесс-то!
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#58 Comment By Центр On 23.08.2012 21:16 @
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Холод,батареи молчат,счетчик бешено накручивает киловатты…время 21:18.Где обещанное тепло?
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#59 Comment By Романо On 23.08.2012 22:08 @
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Два месяца готовились готовились-а в день пуска самую малость забыли-документы подать))) Вы что на мелочь обижаетесь))) А пока в очень холодной руки мойте- а в холодной купайтесь))) Мы ж северяне))) Кстати по отсчету времени-на 22.04 трубы пока холодные.С Праздником!!!
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#60 Comment By Чукча On 23.08.2012 22:14 @
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Холодно однако!
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#61 Comment By ТсВ On 23.08.2012 22:28 @
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Документы подали до 20-го числа, сними лапшу с ушей и включи мозг-кому оно надо)
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#62 Comment By Романо On 23.08.2012 22:20 @
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Сегодня, 23 августа, в соответствии с постановлением главы администрации Воркуты Воркутинская ТЭЦ филиала ОАО "ТГК-9" Коми (работает в составе ЗАО "КЭС") начала подачу тепла и горячей воды потребителям. Воркута стала первым городом работы КЭС-Холдинга и одним из первых городов страны в целом, где начался отопительный сезон 2012/2013 гг УРРРАААА Товарищи!!!!
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#63 Comment By Будущее On 23.08.2012 22:26 @
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Скоро посадят вам на шею Будровского или Шлумейко, вот тогда узнаете что такое "мы его не выбирали". А на таких как пыкина и былинчик поставят жирный крест. Сопрову сверху веревки привязали и крючек засунули. Всех использовали а вы орали. Еще посмотрите как будет хорошо, когда баранов сгонят в стадо. Вы потеряли не обретя! И это вам хорошо! Иначе неумеете. Аминь.
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#64 Comment By 13 On 23.08.2012 22:40 @
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Потеряют только те, кто с руки пуровской кормится. А город от другого сити-менеджера только выиграет. Тот же Шумейко вполне адекватный человек в отличии от Пуро и с деловой хваткой у него всё в поряде. Он и Республике на хорошем счету и в центре его знают и уважают, в отличии от нынешнего мажора. Так что не нужно народ пугать, как бабку Юрьевым днём. Лучше бы воду горячую вовремя дали, или хоть не свистели на всех углах о заслугах пуровской администрации о более ранних сроках подключения тепла. Не нужно было народ будоражить и пытаться заработать дешёвый авторитет на этом.
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#65 Comment By Сёма On 23.08.2012 23:01 @
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А можно по подробней о делах Шумейко для блага родного города? Поправки к переселению все запомнили и почувствовали.
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#66 Comment By … On 24.08.2012 11:01 @
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Бла-бла-бла – вот его дела! Ещё с "Северной" этим прославился, потому и в гору пошёл
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#67 Comment By Аноним On 23.08.2012 23:29 @
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Главное как к нему не в центре относятся а в Воркуте. Ничего не сделано из обещаного. Примем в объятья.
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#68 Comment By Аноним On 24.08.2012 07:14 @
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Такой комментарий про Шумейко мог написать только сам Шумейко )))) Бред )))
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#69 Comment By Игорь On 26.08.2012 01:21 @
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Или тот кто при нем рассчитывает подобраться к бюджету.
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#70 Comment By Сема On 23.08.2012 23:28 @
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Сема усни и не зли нас больше…
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#71 Comment By Сёма On 23.08.2012 23:52 @
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А кто это у нас такой обиженый?
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#72 Comment By Майя On 24.08.2012 00:53 @
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А где наш глава? почему он отмалчивается? почему нет никакой реакции на происходящее в городе? А оказывается все просто – ТЭЦ на подали тепло так как не было распоряжения из Сыка. А с республикой [censored] ругаться не будет – он точно знает кто и зачем это все сделал. Вот поэтому и молчит. Шкура, одним словом!!! Продался и город продал!!
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#73 Comment By Ликбез On 24.08.2012 05:51 @
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Уважаемые дамы и господа, земляки!
В процессе комментарией я прошу учесть, что ситуация давно изменилась. ООО ТСВ уже давно никакого отношения ни к КЭСу, ни к ТГК-9 не имеет. Неудачный брак на коммерческой основе – распался. Конторы рулят каждая сама по себе. ТЭЦы продают горячую воду ТСВ, а ТСВ транспортирует до потребителя и через ЕРЦ собирает с Вас деньги. Только вот долю за купленную вода отдает ТЭЦам не всю, а только часть – из-за этого и долг образовался в размере 3,5 млрд. А всем говорят, что народ платит.
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#74 Comment By 13 On 24.08.2012 08:16 @
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Да, и акционером в ТСВ наш сити-менеджер!
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#75 Comment By ГВС On 24.08.2012 11:00 @
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13-му. Успокойся ты уже! На всех ветках пона**ал! И везде только одно: пуро, да пуро! Видно сильно он тебя обидел когда-то, Виктор.
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#76 Comment By 13 On 24.08.2012 15:08 @
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Так на всех ветках и написано пуро, да пуро, умница и молодец, работяга на благо города каких свет не видел. Вот это и бесит, а мне лично он ничего плохого не сделал. Пишите на своих ветках как есть, а не деферамбы пойте и люди опровержения писать не будут.
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#77 Comment By Меня бесит! On 24.08.2012 15:20 @
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Смешно;)
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#78 Comment By Ъ On 24.08.2012 18:33 @
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13: Иди На [censored] сайт! И Там вы;;;айся! А здесь люди адекватные, понимают что к чему. И правда на всех ветках навалил, я специально посмотрел, в тему не втему, пофиг!!
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#79 Comment By 13 On 24.08.2012 19:36 @
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Что ещё один ж… лиз проклюнулся
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#80 Comment By forsait On 25.08.2012 00:13 @
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К ликбезу уважаемого Ликбеза. С 1 сентября ТГК-9 уходит из города, а остаётся ООО Воркутинская ТЭЦ (ТЭЦ-1+ТЭЦ-2+ЦВК). Правда, непонятно кто собственник ООО.
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#81 Comment By Знающий On 26.08.2012 00:02 @
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Реформация в ТГК-9 не означает о ее уходе из города. От перемены названия функция не поменяется. Собственником они пока и останутся.
А вот дальше будет интересно. Если все задуманное срастется, то для города может появиться очень большой плюс.
Хотя на горизонте имеются небеспочвенные слухи о том, что в переделе теплового бизнеса в нашем городе принимает активное участие ваш (но не мой) глава администрации. А у него сильная поддержка в республике в лице Ромаданова. А это для Воркуты все вместе взятое большой минус.
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#82 Comment By chertila On 24.08.2012 08:37 @
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а у меня до сих пор воды нет.и батареи холодные…совести у некоторых товарищей нет!живу в центре.
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#83 Comment By аноним On 24.08.2012 10:34 @
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Возможно где-то локальная авария и Вам водоснабжение в подъезде (доме) перекрыли.
Чуть-чуть терпения и все Вам будет :)
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#84 Comment By chertila On 24.08.2012 12:15 @
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Возейскую 4 думают подключать?
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#85 Comment By 33-ий On 24.08.2012 12:35 @
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Если у вас до сих пор нет в доме воды, значит в ваш дом ее не подали. И значит обращайтесь в управляющую компанию (ЖЭК по старому) по месту проживания, пусть краны повключают.
А если у вас течет очень грязная вода, которой вы не можете пользоваться, но по счетчику за нее все-равно заплатите, значит ваша управляющая компения не произвела промывку системы перед запуском. Но деньги за это с вас все-равно возьмут.
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#86 Comment By chertila On 24.08.2012 13:13 @
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У меня вообще в горячем кране пусто
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#87 Comment By 007 On 24.08.2012 12:45 @
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Найдите в интернете – Воркута ККС
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#88 Comment By chertila On 24.08.2012 13:11 @
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А можно я к кому-нибудь приду помыться-погреться?ну пожалуйста!))))
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#89 Comment By Пахарь трахарь On 24.08.2012 18:34 @
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А ты мужчина или женщина?
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#90 Comment By Добросовестный плательщик On 24.08.2012 13:21 @
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Ленина 64"Б" четвертый подъезд.Уважаемый сити-менеджер, где отопление и горячая вода? Время 13:20.дата 24.08.12г.
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#91 Comment By Иван On 24.08.2012 15:41 @
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вчера подключили и тепло и воду горячую.
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#92 Comment By Аноним On 24.08.2012 16:06 @
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появились первые счастливчики?? поздравляю! не всем пока так везет с теплом и водой(((
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#93 Comment By Василий On 24.08.2012 18:11 @
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Будет и на вашей улице праздник,интересно где такие обездоленные живут?
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#94 Comment By Аноним On 24.08.2012 18:25 @
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на б.Шерстнева живем, пока мерзнем (((
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#95 Comment By Дружинник On 24.08.2012 20:27 @
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Ночью, примерно в 1:30, на переулке Юнь-Ягинском горячая вода была. В 4:30 на б-ре Шерстнева д. 21-вода была и в трубах отопления и в трубах с горячей водой. На б-ре Пищевиков, д. 5 воды нет до сих пор, когда предвидится подача воды-неизвестно. Пробовал звонить в Аварийку, сначала трубку не брали, через какое то время стало занято. Появляется подозрение, что трубку сняли рядом с аппаратом положили, чтобы люди вопросами не донимали. Кому можно пожаловаться?
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#96 Comment By Иван On 24.08.2012 21:43 @
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Обзвонил друзей у всех тепло: на тимане,на чернова,на гоголя,на ленинградской,на ленина,на димитрова,на гагарина
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